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or Nick Savoy, the leading dating coach in the United States, has built an empire - the most successful business of its kind - teaching tens of thousands of men how to meet and enter into relationships with women. He has pioneered an online community approaching a million monthly visitors.
In this article, Nick shares basic pickup concepts, and explains how Treo and Centro smartphones can be used to great advantage.
How do you get beautiful women in your life?
Guys don’t tend to talk about this stuff. Maybe once in a while your friend might tell you that your opening line was lame or that your clothes are out of style, but most men’s lives are not full of messages and advice on how to succeed with women. There’s no common male equivalent to women’s magazines which are filled with articles like “How to get a guy!”, “How to keep him!”, and “How to rock his world!”
For a long time, men had either had game or they didn’t. Those who did just seemed to effortlessly attract beautiful women. Those who didn’t were frustrated or settled and lowered their standards.
I knew I wasn’t a “natural” but I wasn’t going to settle either. Several years ago, I found other men in the internet who had the same outlook. From different parts of the world, with different ages, backgrounds, looks, and taste in women, all we had in common was a belief that picking up women was a skill that could be learned like any other.
“Picking up” beautiful women is a testable and repeatable process.
We weren’t interested in armchair theories or conventional wisdom. We’d all been told to “be yourself” or “smile” or “just tell her how you feel” and it didn’t work. So we started from scratch and applied the scientific method. In different cities and countries around the world, we went to bars, clubs, restaurants coffee shops, malls, and lounges and tested and refined different tactics and reported the results. Over time, we found certain things that “worked” consistently with especially beautiful women. We started to see patterns. Eventually, we pulled different techniques that were successful and reproduce-able into a coherent step-by-step system.
That’s when the results took off. Virgins started having one night stands. Average guys dated models and dancers. Divorced guys who’d been out of the market for years found themselves dating younger women they’d thought were unattainable. A former New York Times journalist by the name of Neil Strauss wrote the bestselling book “The Game” about how he, as a shy, short, and balding 30something man became recognized as the world’s #1 Pickup Artist after working with some of these guys. Skeptical journalists came to check us out (you can see & hear their stories in our media section).
Today, Love Systems is the most successful dating coaching outfit in the world. Our offerings include our flagship book Magic Bullets, the Love Systems’ Routines Manual (with hundreds of word-for-word scripts that the masters use and step-by-step instructions to make your own), and our weekend bootcamps. We’re probably best known for our annual SuperConference (coming up this year February 22-24 in Las Vegas) where we bring all of our instructors from around the world – as well as our biggest and most successful competitors – and spend a weekend training guys to the hilt on how to succeed with women. All of our instructors are former students, which is really inspiring; it shows that our teaching model works, and that our system can work for anyone.
Smartphones
Some of what we’re doing now is very advanced and detailed – like in any field where the basic questions have been solved. But as an introductory article, we’ll keep things simple. And we’ll focus on smartphones. Of course, your choice of phone is not anywhere near the most important thing to succeed with women, but a smartphone CAN give you an advantage in certain situations, and we’ll explore those in this article.
The only bit of theory I have to feed you first is the Emotional Progression Model. At Love Systems, we’ve built a seven-step model for consistently successful pickups. The phases, in order, are:
1) Approaching – you’re a stranger to her. These are things you say and do to start a conversation.
2) Transitioning – taking that initial conversation and shifting it to a more general and flirtatious interaction
3) Attraction – where you get her interested in you
4) Qualification – where you make her work for your interest and build a connection based on more than her looks
5) Comfort – where you solidify mutual attraction into a emotional and/or physical connection
6) Seduction – closing the deal
7) Relationship – where you steer the subsequent interaction into anything from a traditional boyfriend/girlfriend relationship to a friends with benefits situation.
You can get a more detailed guide to the Emotional Progression Model in the Love Systems’ free publications library. And a full treatment of each phase (and more) is in Magic Bullets. By the way, you can download free copies of the Chapters on Approaching and Transitioning on the Magic Bullets Book page.
In any case, there are three different parts of the pickup where you can use a smartphone to your advantage:
1) During the initial “pick up” or meeting (i.e., when you first start talking to her at a bar or coffee shop or wherever you meet her)
2) When getting her phone number
3) To see her again (to go on a date or to hook up with her that night)
Let's discuss these individually...
1) During the initial pickup
The phone helps you most during the Comfort phase. If you’re at a bar, this might be half an hour into the interaction, where you’ve temporarily separated her from her friends and you’re sitting together in a quiet area of the bar. Part of the Comfort process is getting to know each other. So if you’re telling a story about your sister, for example, and you happen to have a picture of her on your phone, show her. If you’re telling a story about an interesting or exotic pet, show her. It makes you and your stories seem more real.
You can use pictures in subtle ways to solidify her attraction to you. For example, women tend to be attracted to men who other women are interested in. (We call this “pre-selection” and this is one of the eight sure-fire triggers to create attraction that we talk about in Magic Bullets). So you can be telling her a story of something funny that happened on a recent camping trip, and then show her a picture of your camp….which just happens to be of you and at least one beautiful woman. Don’t point her out or draw attention to her. If she asks, don’t be defensive. Say something like “oh that’s my friend Kayla. You guys would really get along; she has the same crazy sense of humor that you do”. Act as if beautiful women are a normal part of your life. You can use video in the same way.
Music is deeply important to many women – women tend to appreciate experiences (and men for that matter) that can put them through different emotional states. So if you start talking about music, and there’s a song or a band that you’re excited about and that she might like, don’t be shy. Show that you are passionate (women like men who are passionate about anything…the passion is far more important than the interest or hobby in question) and excited to have her listen to such-and-such a song. And then pull out your headphones for her and play the song on your smartphone. Better still, put out your headphones with a splitter so that you can both listen simultaneously. That’s a shared experience just between you two, which builds intimacy and comfort in itself. It’s like you two are in your own little world for a minute, listening to your own music, separate from the world around you. That’s the kind of shared experience that can help build comfort.
2) When you get her phone number
With some of the basic techniques we teach, it’s actually fairly easy to get a beautiful woman’s (real) phone number. It’s significantly more challenging to get her to meet up with you again. Beautiful women – especially younger ones – have a reputation for being “flaky” or difficult to get on the phone, difficult to make plans with, and unreliable in terms of following through with those plans.
Before getting into how your smartphone can help you with this, let’s take a quick look at the underlying social dynamics. Let’s say a typical, attractive, social woman is out at a restaurant with her friends. While waiting at the bar, an interesting man approaches her. A few minutes later, he asks for her phone number so they can “go out sometime”. At that moment, she genuinely would “go out” with this man “sometime”…
…but it doesn’t turn out that way.
Going out “sometime” is different from going out Thursday night. To see her “sometime” all you have to do is be more interesting than doing nothing. That’s a pretty low standard. She can agree to that, especially when she is “in the moment” and enjoying his company. However, most beautiful women receive far more exciting social invitations and social obligations than they have time for.
For her to go out with you, you need to be more interesting than anything else going on at that time, like friends, hobbies, work, other dates, or relaxing at home. That’s a tough standard to meet, especially considering that when you call her, she’s probably not in the same open, social, interested emotional state that she was when she met you. Especially when she met several other men in the intervening time. What, you thought you were the only guy who noticed her? Or that after talking to you for a few minutes and giving you her number that she considered herself off-limits for other men? She might have liked all the attention and flirting, but she doesn’t have time to go on 9 dates this week. When you call, she is going to look for reasons NOT to go out with you.
Moreover, meeting up with strange men is scary for most women. She might not feel safe. She might worry it will be awkward if she doesn’t like you. Women also tend to be more analytical than men about social situations. She may wonder why you’d even call her when you only met for a few minutes and you know so little about her. Are you desperate? Or are you a player?
To have a good chance of seeing her again, you need to establish some Comfort with her during the first interaction. This means you need to Open, Transition, Attract, and Qualify her first. I don’t care if you only have 10 minutes. You just have to play faster. If you haven’t been through this process, the phone number you get is most likely useless. But even if you do, getting her phone number the right way gives you far more chances of her answering when you call and seeing you again. Here’s how:
3) To See Her Again
As I mentioned previously, women tend to be far more concerned than men about how they are perceived by others, especially around their sexual morality and decision-making. One of the new breakthroughs we’ll be rolling out at our upcoming SuperConference in Las Vegas February 22-24 is how to use this to your advantage.
For now, let’s stick with the basic scenario of you meeting a woman when she’s out with her friends at a bar, and she’s not going to leave them to go home with you no matter how much she likes you because she doesn’t want to risk her reputation.
Always ask her who she is with and how she got there. In some cities (like Los Angeles) it’s very common for one woman to drive and to pick her friends up on the way to the club. In others (like New York), women will often arrive separately and meet up once they’re there. Once you know her situation, you’ll know how long it will take her to be alone and where she’ll be. Later that night, just before she’s about to be alone, send her a text message inviting her to a convenient (for her) late-night bite to eat or afterparty.
Use your smartphone to make yourself stand out and your offer enticing. If you want her to meet you at another bar or a cool after party, record and send her a quick video from the party, maybe you and your friends inviting her (and her friends if necessary) to come join you. If it is you and your friends, make sure they’re not all guys – cool looking men and women should be telling “Jen” (or whatever her name is) that she should come to the party. Put the directions straight into google maps or mapquest so it’s easy for her.
We have a concept at Love Systems called compliance. We won’t really get into it here, other than to say that you don’t want to be asking a woman to invest or work more than she wants to. Even answering the phone (from a stranger she met the night before at a bar) is an investment if she’s not sure how interested in you she is the next day. That’s why we called text messaging “the low compliance alternative” [to a phone call].
One of the great things about smartphones is how powerful they are with text messages:
Summary
One thing I hope you take away from this article is how the subtle little things matter a lot. Dating science isn’t about the “killer pickup line” or the magic secret that unlocks women’s hearts. It’s about understanding the system and doing enough of the little things right to succeed with women.
To improve your own success with women, come visit us at www.LoveSystems.com. There’s tons of free material and access to real-life stories and experiences, as well Magic Bullets, the Love Systems’ Routines Manual and more.
If you’re looking to transform your own social life, you’ve got lucky timing, given that our SuperConference is coming up February 22 to 24, in just a couple of weeks. This is a totally transformative event, which we guarantee you will not leave without dramatically increasing your success with beautiful women. And when I say guarantee, I mean it literally – there is a no-hassle full refund policy.
Your journey might have started with smartphones, but don’t let it end there. Dating science is real. It works. It’s not manipulative, it’s not only for certain kinds of guys, it’s not [insert whatever excuse you’re making here].
As of now, there are 7 spots left for the SuperConference. Don’t let them disappear before you have a chance to change your life.
Take care,
Savoy
P.S. I love feedback and love what I do. So any comments, questions, etc., email me anytime at Savoy@LoveSystems.com
Related Links
Nick Savoy talks about the ethics of dating multiple women at the same time
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Comments
rollo says:
This article is MTDN's most tenuously-related to the Treo ever. Hilarious.
The 'system' might work, but it sure is creepy. Database of text messages? Recording your phone conversations for future evaluation?! Seriously?
If you're just looking to con your way into one-night-stands with shallow bims, you may as well skip dating school and just pretend to be foreign or famous or rich...
I'm not convinced the Treo would be a good wingman in these situations anyway...
Scenario 1 - girls love music: "Hey you'd love this song I have on my smartphone.. let me just get out the 2.5mm to 3.5mm adapter, fire up PocketTunes and find it on the SD card so we can listen to it". Smooth!
Scenario 2 - girls like guys who other girls like: "Look at this picture of my sister/stunning friend on my phone (hmm?).. yeah it is kinda difficult to see, I guess.. damn you Palm, VGA res photos on a 240px square screen is crippling my game!"
You may as well tell her about your ewok collection. Time to get an iPhone, playas..
Chuck Lawhorn says:
I'm sure all the women on MTDN were thrilled by the content of this article.
jchunt says:
"Yuck!" doesn't begin to describe how this article made me feel. Nice way to offend half your readers, Mytreo! That XV6800 I've been eying is looking better than ever.
poweredbysound says:
Part that gets me is that the Super Conference takes place in Las Vegas, a city where a LARGE PERCENTAGE of 'attractive your women' work (legally) as prostitutes/escorts. One heck of a playground to test your newly-learned women-attracting methods in! ("For less than the price of your smartphone, I'll let you ... ") Yikes!
poweredbysound says:
attractive your women = attractive YOUNG women
LOL - Interesting Freudian slip... I'm already in a relationship, hence unavailable.
parisbueller says:
what a [Expletive Deleted] article.
Fingaluna says:
Know what else you can use your TREO for? Making sure you don't miss your doctor's appointment. Yeah, the one you made cause you have some strange mystery illness "down there" from all of you bedpost noctches.
Nice.
Abbott says:
To PoweredBySound:
Wrong. In Vegas prostitution is NOT legal. While it's legal in most of Nevada, it's not legal in counties with over 400K people. Vegas by itself is over 400K, so it's county thus has over 400K. Therefore, it's not legal in the city itself.
About the article itself:
What a joke! If anything, the Treo makes you look nerdy. Because of misconceptions, it's not something you want people to think.
If someone notices mine and wants to see it, I'll show it to them, but I don't say "Wow I spent $500+ on a mobile."
It also mentions SMS. Who actually uses that? Not me. I figure it's popular only amongst teen girls because it's easier to "pass notes" in high school. It's also bad since it requires a mobile, which isn't something everyone has. If you want to send messages between devices, use E-mail, as it's cheaper. Even E-mail to SMS gateways exist.
As for phone numbers, if I try to get a number I only try to get the home number. It's also the only number I'll give to people. The mobile number is something people will have to EARN, since it burns minutes when someone calls me on it.
This article is a JOKE.
sphin says:
Some of these suggestions seem like they'd actually be pretty useful.
Everywhere I go I see people constantly text messaging, and if attractive women are doing it, then why not learn how to do it too? Text message conversations seem to be rising in popularity vs. e-mail, especially because they're mobile.
And yeah, the iPhone may be better for the multimedia aspects, but with their new versions (of phones and software) coming out every ten minutes, who wants that hassle?
rosenft says:
It's interesting how emotionally people react to topics involving human sexuality.
Isn't it common sense that we use smartphones for socializing? We keep track of our contacts. Snap photos of friends. Share music. Most of those are straight forward ideas.
What is different here is that Nick puts common sense ideas in context of an emotional progression model. Probably the article should have been published without images-- it would have had a better shot at being taken seriously.
A lot of the concepts in the emotional progression model are being debated in modern psychology circles. It's no accident that "the Game" is in the top 200 best selling books on Amazon. There are interesting ideas in all of this.
Anyway, glad everyone is stirred up. :-)
actionhero says:
I think we are missing the point. Nick does not talk about showing how cool your treo is but how it can be used to make interaction more interesting. It has happened to many and surely to me that at times I run out of things to say and treo can come in handy at those times where you can just start looking at pictures etc. What would be real creepy is you go an date with laptop and turn it on to show the pictures etc. Also he is not talking about manipulating women he is simply saying how to keep it interesting to improve your chances with women.
msquared.id.au says:
This post is of no relevance to someone interested in the Treo. It this forum spam or something?!
It reads more like an advertisement, to me (which is probably why I first suspected that it was forum spam). The article itself was obviously not written by an MTDN editor. Was MTDN paid to accept this article? Was their webmaster account hacked or bypassed?
@Fingaluna: ROFL! Nice way to bring it back on topic. :-)
@rosenft: Actually, I think as many people are stirred up because they think this article is off-topic. I agree with them.
I feel violated that this tripe actually made it into my inbox, and inside an otherwise reputable newsletter, too.
*has a long and vigorous cold shower*
rosenft says:
It's not off topic at all.
One big reason to own a smartphones is to facilitate social interaction. Sometimes that means family, sales, work and dating.
People are reacting emotionally to the sexual content. It's taboo and makes people uncomfortable. That's why information about sexuality is valuable IMHO.
Truly off topic articles typically produce no comments.
Journey says:
Wow. There must be alot of nerdy "folk" here if you seriously think this article wasn't interesting.
I mean, honestly, I bet these same "folk" do not find all the "how to" (insert something to do with manipulating, err, um, influencing Males) in women's magazines any way near as offensive.
I mean, come on, lol! Be light about this people!
Emotional reaction to Hot Topic = Weird, lol
Great article Mr. Savoy!
jca408 says:
well, that's it. I'm out of here. sexist, irrelevant, and inappropriate article. When MyTreo remembers that women also buy smartphones (and read this site) my friends and I will consider coming back.
Lynoure says:
Next time, please please make sure that there is at least something Treo-related in the part of the article that ends up in the newsletter. Now it looked like speed seduction scammers had taken over the newsletter... Which it actually looked like even after I read the whole article.
Journey: I find many many non-Treo things interesting. However I would not submit a BDSM howto to Treo newsletter any more than I would submit a Linux article to culture history zine. Even though I can think of many many uses for my Treo BDSM-wise. (MyTreo folks, let me know if you actually want me to write an article on that... lol)
As to womens magazines: I don't subscribe to any, and would not be delighted if MyTreo newsletter started running stories from them either.
Alli says:
...and y'all thought I would stay out of this one....
One of the reasons I bought my first Treo (270) was for the ease with which I could send text messages. I only have a mobile number (no land line), so I give out my number a lot. But I am far more likely to tell new people (yes, interpret that as MEN) in my life to text, not call me.
From a woman's perspective, I was amused and not at all offended. And the bottom line is, that little Treo (now Centro) is a major means of socialization. Guys, if you're not texting, you're missing out on a major part of 21st century social life - and you *know* I am not a teenager.
Oh yea...my 70 and 80 year old parents use their Treo 700p and Centro to text everyone in the family.
dasseattle says:
So, I'm a slightly overweight single middle-aged heterosexual woman. Does Mr Savoy have any neat tricks for attracting attractive men?
I hope he paid you to run his commercial.
sphin says:
@ Alli: That's exactly my point, everyone is text messaging these days, and it can certainly play a significant role in romantic interactions.
Maybe Savoy can come back and give us some tips about Valentine's Day text messaging? I'm sure the haters out there would have another field day with that. :-P
rosenft says:
@ dasseattle: The writing is geared towards men. But many of the concepts apply to women. Women use "openers," "frame control" and "kino" to attract men. Read the free chapters....if you are genuinely looking for a relationship... maybe there will be something valuable in there for you.
Chuck Lawhorn says:
If one is "genuinely looking for a relationship," a smarmy, superficial article about how to pick up strangers at a bar with one's "cool" cellphone couldn't be more useless.
rosenft says:
@ Chuck,
Read customer reviews on Amazon.com of this book, including the ones written by middle aged women.
http://www.amazon.com/Game-Penetrating-Secret-Society-Artists/dp/0060554738/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1202507596&sr=8-1
That book is about the emotional progression model that Nick (author of this article) and his friends developed.
The book is ranked #147 out of all of the books on Amazon.com.
Don't be so quick to put down the idea of dasseattle checking some of this stuff out. She might have fun with it.
rollo says:
Sure, text messages are part of 21st century social life. But it doesn't require a Treo, or even a smartphone - in case you guys hadn't noticed, every phone these days comes with texting ability and a camera.
Okay Alli, so you're cool with this - you like the idea of someone regarding you as a game, surreptitiously recording your calls for later analysis, calculating which of his database of text messages is most likely to split you from the pack so he can work on you? That's interesting. I don't know you from Adam (well.. Eve) but I'd hazard a guess that in real life you'd see the player for what he is, a transparent sucker who's fallen for a scam that makes money from guys who lack the confidence to be themselves (flawed or otherwise).
By the way, it's so plainly obvious that this is an "advertorial".. the frequent keyworded links throughout the article, the URLs with affiliate ID. It's disingenuous to pass it off as a genuine article; the least you could do is label it as a advertisement. I notice that there have been no responses to those accusations.
Tadd, the excuses you make are priceless. Your easy use of the lingo and familiarity with the system are interesting too.
If you'd care to write it, I agree that there is a story here (social interaction modified/enabled by mobile technology). But you chose to bury it under sleaze and money-grubbing. Fair play, it's your site and these are your users (or impressions, as you might like to think of them) that you're driving away.
rosenft says:
@ Rollo - Calling social interaction a "game" is not the same thing as calling Alli one. You are totally mixing your metaphors.
Before posting again, please take a look at the reviews linked above. Many are by women. Based on the sales rank of 147, I'm guessing the book sold a million copies. The vast majority of reviewers (a ratio of about 100 to 1) gave it the highest rating.
Here are some critical reviews....
Esquire Magazine, August 2005
"One hugely entertaining story. I loved every page. And I'll never let Neil Strauss within 50 feet of my wife."
Happen Magazine, September 2005
"Rife with insights and honesty, The Game is both a voyeuristic thrill and a how-to manual for anyone."
There is nothing sexist whatsoever about men working on dating skills or women doing the same. It's all meant in fun. It's totally human.
Chuck Lawhorn says:
Reviews mean nothing. How do you know those reviews weren't written by shills? They read like they were. As the saying goes, "On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog." No one knows that any of those reviews were written by the people they say they are.
The "critical reviews" are laughable. Why do you defend this stuff so vigorously? What is your stake in this? Why do you think this has anything to do with a Treo, except that the Treo can do text messaging (as can 98% of all the cell phones now available for a lot less money than the Treo)?
You say, "There is nothing sexist whatsoever about men working on dating skills or women doing the same. It's all meant in fun. It's totally human."
So why does the headline for this article specifically say "Attract beautiful women..."? That's a very sexist statement, and all your attempts at deflection will not change that.
Journey says:
Wait a minute "Attract beautiful women..." is a sexist statement?
Wow. Elvis has left the building.
LOL!
rosenft says:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0omMTu9Ax8&eurl=http://attraction-chronicles.blogspot.com/2005/09/neil-strauss-on-view-video.html
macable says:
I need to use my Treo as a dating help guide about as much as I need 20 pounds of gold chains hanging off my neck or that three generation old zuit suit I saw in a garage sale last year (and ran away from). Up until this "article" I have been pleased to receive reviews and insight on my Treo, not pulp fiction plugs. If you need dating advise, find a happily married man and ask how he got there.
CSB says:
I can't believe the women of The View TV show endorsed this. That's awesome!
(@macable - I'm not sure asking just any married dude is such a good idea.)
Alli says:
There is such a thing as a happily married man? Dawg...learn somethin' new every day!
JuiceTerry says:
This was a very well written piece by Nick.
I can attest for the fact that the system taught by Nick's company DOES WORK!
In fact, I have seen guys who bought his Magic Bullets book, and other similar works and they have literally transformed from chumps to champs.
Initially I was sceptical too however three years later, the quality of my life, and countless others, has been enriched by having beautiful women & fantastic sex in my life.
Game works. Women want sex. They want sex from charismatic, confident, witty, sexual men.
Most guys sadly don't have these attributes however it can be all learned.
It is all under-pinned by evolutionary biology, psychology and zoology.
Basically Nick's company , and the wider seduction community has taken the work of scientists like Richard Dawkins, Matt Ridely, Robin Baker, David Buss and Desmond Morris and applied it to the context of bars and clubs.
Genius.
Now only if I could find the time to go to Sin City for that superconference...................
rollo says:
Tadd.. the book on Amazon that you're referring to is written by Neil Strauss, and appears to be - more or less - a morality tale which ends up with the author realizing that he actually didn't want to spend the rest of his life playing 'the game' (which, in contrast to the impression given by the article, he learned from a number of 'pickup gurus'; Savoy isn't even mentioned in the synopsis). Even if popularity equalled quality, reviews of this book do not equal reviews of Nick Savoy's 'system'.
You're right though; my metaphor wasn't quite right. I suppose the conquest is the game, and the woman is really the prize (at least for the night). But we're splitting hairs here.
I'm sure it works for some people. If you're painfully shy and afraid of rejection, having a 'playbook' to boost your confidence is probably very handy. You could also just man up, stop letting fear and self-doubt control your life, and start the conversation. It's a lot quicker and cheaper (and more honest).
Still no answer on the advertorial question, I see.
rosenft says:
It's advertorial.
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